If you need or want the drawings in a non-pdf format or in a different scale,
email me. If you want drawing on paper via snail mail,
again email me and I will get in touch with you. Mail will require reimbursement
for my expenses but this would likely be in the $1.00 - $1.50 range. I�m not
doing this for money.
These � inch scale (full size for �O� scale) drawings were made using
DeltaCad Professional V 6.0. I learned how to use the program as part of doing
I made a trip to the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay (not a huge trip, I live in the Milwaukee area) to
photograph and get some measurements from Ahnapee & Western caboose #33. This provided several key
dimensions but is limited by the fact that this caboose never received a steel
under frame and is different in some details. I did get dimensions for the bay
and all of the windows. These appear to be the same on all of the cars. I also
found out that the siding grooves are spaced 2� inches apart. The actual siding
looks to be 5� wide tongue and-groove (probably 5�� with the tongue) with a
center groove. This was a major help as I was able to count the �boards� on
the sides and ends to find the overall length and width of the cars. While I did
get overall measurements, I wanted a short car and #33 is a long car. From the
photos I�ve seen it seemed that there were cars of two (more?) different
lengths. All other dimensions (including height) I had to scale from available
photos. As the photos are all skewed one way or the other, this involved taking
and averaging several measurements. Add to that the fact that no two cars appear
to be exactly alike and it turned out to be quite a project.
The file includes a few detail photos I took of A&W #33 that will be helpful on
several points. However, it is very important to keep in mind that these photos
are of a car that was never upgraded to a steel underframe. Just about
everything below floor level is incorrect for a post WWII Green Bay & Western or Kewaunee, Green Bay & Western car.
I am sharing these drawings here for two reasons;
- To get feedback from anyone that has factual information on whether the drawings are �close enough� to build a
relatively accurate model and To share them with anyone who has a non-commercial
use for them (if anyone has a commercial use for them, please contact me).
- I really want to get constructive criticism. I have no inflated idea as to
the accuracy and my feelings will not be hurt. I believe that a working set of
drawing for these cars is almost necessary, as they were in use during one of
the prime modeling eras of the GBW, post WWII to later 60�s.
Several points of information needed to make use of the drawings follow:
- The height of the sides is based on scaling several photos and should be close.
- Roof height, roof walk dimensions, roof walk support spacing, etc, was determined using drawings of similar era freight cars and cabooses to establish standards of the day.
- The cross section of the roof should be quite close to Northeastern Scale Lumber overhanging roof stock (Walthers #521-602).
They also have a caboose roof but it is of the �rounded� variety and not
correct for this car. According to the photos I�ve seen, the roof looks to be
smooth with no ribs and was likely tarpapered.
- The coupler pocket dimensions are
generic and may not be right for this car. I am amazed at the variations in
coupler pocket dimensions through the years.
- The smoke stack is 6� in
diameter, the normal for black stovepipe available TODAY.
- I had absolutely no
information concerning the underframe or brake equipment. My plan for myself is
to modify an Athearn (or MDC) bay window caboose underframe for length and
bolsters placement and hopefully be able to leave the rather meager
representation of brake equipment in place. If anyone can come up with
sufficient documented underframe information I would consider modifying the
drawings. The bolster location was determined again by board count and should be
- I did not spend the time to draw the trucks as they are a commonly
used caboose truck design and are available commercially.
- The end platforms and
stair treads are diamond plate on #33 and I feel would be correct for all of
these cars considering the time when any major upgrades were last done.
- I did
not forget the roofwalk platforms where the ladder handrails attach to the roof.
I have seen many GBW caboose photos, including one of #605 that looks DOWN, on to
the roof and these platforms did NOT exist on these cars.
- I have no data as to
how the interiors were laid out. I couldn�t see the inside of #33 as the
windows were papered over at the time of my visit to the museum.